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i sure hope the sox or anyone but the yanks sign cameron...no more has been 250 hitters..thanks sox

Isn't Swisher a wanna-be-has-been .250 hitter?

Seems to me Cameron would be a nice pickup all things considered when defense is one facet they were looking for. By itself Andy you hit it on the head, not great. If Lackey affords them the option to move Buchy and a few other nice prospects for a significant bat then great. It may not be during the offseason though, I can see them signing or making a smaller trade for 3B and then playing the market in July for the big bat (Gonzalez).

I don't get this whole idea that the Padres are going to trade Gonzalez. Why would they trade a guy they have signed for the next two years at a total of $10 million? Their payroll is currently $12 million for 2010- yup $12 million- so it's not like they need to cut anymore costs.

Now, if Boston, or some other team wants to back up the truck and basically say take our five best prospects, I get it. But otherwise, I think it is a pipe dream.

BL ,you could have swisher also, or any other team.. actually 250 was high for him..i was just happy we did not get cameron,, he has been a rumor coming to yanks for years, i would prefer gardner to him any day..

not necessarily a pipe dream, and not necessarily top 5 prospects. I think top 2 prospects plus 2 or 3 really good prospects and if any are ML ready that will help.

Teams like SD cannot hold onto singular players that could otherwise provide 3-4 ML talents in return.

At $12m payroll they cannot realistically ever have a chance of winning no matter how good their minor league system is, just can't be done.

So with a new GM in place I think it is possible there could be a chance he could be dealt.

BL- Sure there is a chance, but I think Boston has two things working against it.

1- The fans are already angry and trading Gonzalez would be a pr nightmare

2- The new GM is a Boston guy which means he has to make sure he doesn't hand a sweetheart deal to the Red Sox. If he approves a trade for Gonzalez to Boston and someone like Keith Law says the Padres didn't get enough, his career in San Diego is badly damaged.

DOC in the NL, boy his era will be under 2.00what was NL all time best

Peter, couldn't you argue, when talking about Gonzalez, that Jed Hoyer has a greater knowledge of the Red Sox system than any other, non-Red Sox employee (he and Jason McLeod)?

Obviously Keith Law holds some clout, but mostly on the inner circle, the average fan has never heard of Keith Law and I have to assume Hoyer is going to do what he thinks is best for his team, PR be damned.

I can throw out ideas all day long, but only Hoyer knows what would make sense in return for Gonzalez.

The other issue is Hoyer trying to guage at which point he can get the most in return for Gonzalez, is it now with 2 years left his deal or July 2011 with 3 months left on his deal? I have to assume it is now.

Andy

I don't know who Jason McLeod is, but I am sure Hoyer knows the Boston system up and down.

Don't take Keith Law literally, I mean any respected baseball commentator. The mood in San Diego is ugly, the fans are ready to revolt. (Seriously, if you ever want to see some angry writing, read some of their fan blogs)

Just spitballing, but what if the reason the Red Sox signed Cameron was to include Ellsbury in a trade?

Buccholz, Ellsbury, some other prospects, that might work.

Peter, I think you are spot on. I think the signing of Cameron allows them to move Ellsbury in the same trade. Including Lowell and Cameron, Ellsbury is the only member of the starting 9 with a sub-100 OPS+ and he was the most challenged defensive centerfielder in baseball last year.

So yes, I think it a strong chance he, Buchholz and a top prospect (and some lesser names) go to San Diego. My guess is they are going to wait until this year's trade deadline to make that kind of move though thus allowing them to try Kotchman on a more regular basis to see if he can ever pan out. I'd really like to see the trade now however.

Hi fellas--Wouldn't right now be the best time to package Gonzo? The farther away from his contract being up, the better as far as the Pads are concerned, no? As contract time gets closer, so does the immediate need for the Pads to move him, and of course every other team knows that.

Also, I'm pretty sure Jed doesn't give a darn about his popularity. His only job is to make the team as profitable as possible. The only way to do that is to get butts in the seat by putting a competitive team on the field. While Gonzo is a big draw, wouldn't Jed want to roll the dice on young pitchers and hope that they can win a few games in the NL west right away? Maybe the Pads could be competitive for a couple of years before they have to sell those guys off for more prospects. Seems to me, with a 40M payroll, that's the only way the Pads could be competitive and thus profitable.

Rice

I think you are right on maximizing the value and I think if they do trade him it will happen after the Padres get their season ticket renewals in.

My point on Hoyer is he is going to get a lot more criticism of any trade he makes with Boston so I imagine he will probably try to send him to other teams first if he even decides to deal him.

do you guys really think this hoyer is going to trade a great player to boston because he is a redsox at heart and undermine his team and ownership..so the redsox can get better??? i don't know this guy but seems like he should be fired now..fans love HRs, they don't score as it is... how many HRs jacoby is going to hit and steal bases to put fans in the seats.. seems you guys know this man , maybe your right, sounds like spy in the camp..

I don't think his motivation would be to improve Boston, it would be to improve San Diego.

Wouldn't they be better as a team with a few blue chip prospects and a couple major league ready cheap young players than one A.G.?

Are they contending anytime in the future with what they got now?

I personally like Ellsbury and think the upside is big. I would consider trading him if they had a left fielder to sit beside Cameron in center but they don't. So Ellsbury only becomes available if Bay/Holliday are signed in left. Also 3B is open with the trade of Lowell, assuming that happens so if not to add a non-blue chip prospect to the Gonzalez trade package why did they ship Lowell off while footing the bill.

I don't subscribe to the "Theo is stupid" rumors so there has to be a logical reason for the Lowell deal. Acquiring prospects of all types to amass a huge bundle of toys to send out west has to be the answer IMO.

Hoyer has to make these kind of deals, especially when they have budget constraints. I don't think he has any other choice. Because of Gonzalez's contract and how cheap he is, is exactly the reason they should move him and for the previously mentioned bag of toys the Sox and others would gladly send their way.

Hey Rice, that's my thought, Hoyer could get more now than later.

As for public opinion, the only opinion that matters is Hoyer's boss. Fans will complain if he trades AG, but if he can get 2 major league ready players (Buchholz and Ellsbury) for 3 or 4+ years under team control and land a top prospect (Westmoreland or Kelly as examples) and perhaps a few other lesser prospects types, he'll be helping the team beyond 2011.

That said, if AG goes today, more seats will be empty in the short term.

The bigger issue is that San Diego is a joke of a franchise and needs new ownership. With John Moores being worked out and Jeff Moorad being transitioned in as majority owner, things should get better for Hoyer, but he is not running a fully functioning team right now...

Bornwithpinstripes: No, I fully don't expect Jed would make a trade with the Sox because of some love for the organization. Not at all. If he does deal with the Sox it would be purely for his benefit. That is, he knows exactly what Theo would give up for AG. His former emploment with the Sox makes him a dangerous preditor for them.

Full discloser: Jed is a friend of mine from high school. However, I REALLY do not know anything about any specific deals. Not in the slightest. But I do know that Jed is a smart negotiator. Smarter than most know, simply because they've never seen him as a GM. How fun would it be to be a fly ont he wall as he talks to Theo about AG?

Is Theo a SD guy?? Rice thank you for the input.. Maybe lester and Jacoby. then i can see it but not clay in the deal.. Jed's position should be with theo.. AG could hit 50 plus HRs in boston We need to talk further..two years left and cheap... what do you think?